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[zuzcoj]

Nestíhame to prekladať do podrobností, takže ak niekto chce, môže pomáhať...aj preložené len cez Google prekladač a trochu upravené...ak niekto preloží, bude ešte lepšie...my to už fakt nestíhame, ale tie najzákladnejšie info tu už máte...a zajtra to začne odznova

[Lucka]

Neggy, lebo sudca už na tých úplne prvých pojednávaniach rozhodol o tom, že sa jedná o neúmyselné a v tomto duchu sa vlastne začal celý súd. Najprv o tom rozhodli aby aj tretsnú hranicu určili - tie 4 roky. Neviem na základe čoho tak usúdil, ale stalo sa tak.
Ale ak sudca a porota majú dobré vnímanie, úsudky, logiku, tak dúfam, že to aj oni takto pochopia a mohli by to nejako zmeniť, nie? Neviem či sa to dá, ak áno, či by to aj urobili. No ja to vidím tiež ako úmysel, veľa tomu napovedá, prečo to tiež takto nechápu ako my?

[zuzcoj]

Neggy, lebo sudca už na tých úplne prvých pojednávaniach rozhodol o tom, že sa jedná o neúmyselné a v tomto duchu sa vlastne začal celý súd. Najprv o tom rozhodli aby aj tretsnú hranicu určili - tie 4 roky. Neviem na základe čoho tak usúdil, ale stalo sa tak.
Ale ak sudca a porota majú dobré vnímanie, úsudky, logiku, tak dúfam, že to aj oni takto pochopia a mohli by to nejako zmeniť, nie? Neviem či sa to dá, ak áno, či by to aj urobili. No ja to vidím tiež ako úmysel, veľa tomu napovedá, prečo to tiež takto nechápu ako my?

Preto sa dohodli na obžalobe z neúmyselného zabitia, lebo ak by ho obžalovali zo zabitia/vraždy, tak by to bolo ťažšie všetko preukázať a potom by sa mohlo stať, že by z toho doktorko vyšiel aj bez tých 4 rokov...takto mu hrozí aspoň nejaký trest...aj keď...4 roky je tá najvyššia hranica...môže dostať aj len rok...aspoň tak tomu rozumiem ja...

[Lucka]

áno, maximum 4 roky, čiže aj 1 rok, či 1/2 a k tomu trebárs VIP celu, aj to sa stáva.

Toto už len špekulujem: za tieto 4 dni čo boli, svedectvá silno hrajú proti Murrayovi aj s jeho slabou obhajobou. Čiže pochybujem, ak by to bolo brané ako vražda, že by nedostal veľký trest, bez trestu by určite nezostal. Ale zas to je len začiatok, ako Danka napísala, ktovie čo tí Murrayovci chystajú, ale moc im neverím, že obstoja vôbec s niečim, lebo doteraz čo bolo, sa už ukázalo ako slabý podpriemer.
Dobre bolo napísané na hlavnej stránke to pozadie čo nevidíme. To ako sa tvári Murray je aj vidieť. On sa vôbec netvári ako obžalovaný ale ako keby bol jedným z nich, tých porotcov či právnikov, tak dôležito sa tvári a občas si robí zápisky ako niektorý z úradníkov na súde, možno ako keby on niekoho obhajoval, tak mi tam pripadá.

[zuzcoj]

Inak...zaujímavé zhrnutie prvého týždňa očami Reuters (až na to, že je prehnané niekoho v tomto prípade nazývať "víťazom" ):

Week 1: winners, losers in Michael Jackson trial

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Analysis & Opinion

Who stands for the public in Murdoch vs the government?
Mr. Cooper, please meet Mr. Cooper

Dr. Conrad Murray watches his former patient, Robert Russell, testify during Murray's involuntary manslaughter trial in the death of pop star Michael Jackson in Los Angeles, September 30, 2011. REUTERS/Al Seib/Pool

By Jill Serjeant

LOS ANGELES | Sat Oct 1, 2011 4:38pm EDT

(Reuters) - The trial of the doctor accused of responsibility for the June 2009 death of pop star Michael Jackson ended its first week, after an emotional start covered on television and making headlines worldwide.

Dr. Conrad Murray denies a charge of involuntary manslaughter against him in the death of the "Thriller" singer through an overdose of the anesthetic propofol and prescription drugs.

Reuters spoke to trial watchers Marcellus McRae, former federal prosecutor; Mark Geragos, Los Angeles defense attorney who once represented Jackson; and Steve Kron, Los Angeles defense attorney, for their views on the early trial winners and losers. Below is a summary of their opinions:

MICHAEL JACKSON - WINNER

The trial has presented conflicting final images of the pop star lying dead, slurring speech in a voicemail, singing his classic hits in rehearsal video, then hooked up to an IV and urine collection device. His public image has long been mixed: famed singing star who was acquitted of child molestation charges. Has his image been damaged?

Geragos: "Michael had become such a caricature, and unfairly so, in the last 10 years, I don't think it harms him."

Kron: "Anyone looking at this rationally would have to say this is a picture of a guy who was on highs and lows and extremes of behavior and, if not addicted, then heavily dependent on drugs."

McRae: "All these idiosyncrasies spell one thing, which is vulnerability. Jackson is taken out of his iconic status and humanized as a person."

DR. CONRAD MURRAY - MIXED

The cardiologist appeared sympathetic at times. He wiped away tears in court. His supporters gathered outside, arrived holding hands with his mother, and was credited by one witness, a former patient, as having saved his life. But the circumstantial evidence against him was damaging. Keep in mind that prosecutors present their case first. Defense is second.

Kron: "The former patient who said Murray was a great doctor and did a terrific job could have been a witness for the defense. Why the prosecution brought that in baffles me."

McRae: "Murray is in a really tough spot. If he shows too much emotion, it may show contrition, and that may suggest culpability. If he shows no emotion what does that say? A failure to acknowledge the human tragedy."

PROSECUTION - WINNER

Prosecutors present their side of the case first, using slick video screen presentations, slides, photos.

Geragos: "The prosecution has come out strong. There have been some great visuals and audio so far."

McRae: "The prosecution is doing an effective job in focusing the case on trust and the duty of care of a doctor."

DEFENSE - LOSER

The defense team, which has not yet presented its case, has only cross-examined witnesses in bid to draw out inconsistencies. On Friday the judge imposed a gag order on attorneys after one defense counselor gave a TV interview. He could be held in contempt.

McRae: "It's been a difficult week for the defense (and their basic argument) that if it is not Murray, then it is Jackson. The defense won't be able to put Jackson's personality, or character, or all of his actions on trial."

Geragos: "The defense opening statement was compelling. Some of the cross examination has been effective."

JACKSON FAMILY - WINNER

Parents Joe and Katherine Jackson, sisters Janet and La Toya, and brother Randy have attended each day in a display of unity among the sometimes fractious Jackson clan. Court watchers heard how Jackson's young children, Paris and Prince, both witnessed their father lifeless in bed -- adding to the emotional tug favoring the family of the King of Pop.

McRae: "You not only have visual of the children mourning the loss of father, but the family in court on a daily basis reinforces that they are still grieving and that (Jackson's death) cries out for some measure of accountability."

Kron: "The jury might be dazzled a little bit by the star power, but after a while the impact they may have will be minimal."

Geragos: "I think it is very important to the jury to see they are there in support of their deceased brother and son."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... RA20111001

[Braňo]

Ukážka hlasovania na TMZ:



V podstate väčšina hlasujúcich sa zhoduje, že Murray je vinný, spôsobil smrť, klamal a žalobcovia majú silný prípad, na rozdiel od Murrayovej obhajoby, ktorý je zatiaľ slabá...

[Braňo]

Inak...zaujímavé zhrnutie prvého týždňa očami Reuters (až na to, že je prehnané niekoho v tomto prípade nazývať "víťazom" ):

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... RA20111001

Pokiaľ ide o napr. anglické správy, je tu sekcie Daily News, kde môžete všetci pridávať zaujímavé anglické články, stačí ich len skopírovať, aj s fotkami ak sú zaujímavé!


Tu je sekcia pre anglické správy - viewforum.php?f=11

[Braňo]

Presunul som túto správu od Danky z inej témy, ktorá je bez komentára:

BRANKO dakujem musím niečo sem napísať...len ma nezožerte čítala som na FB ,že vraj tá s**** šarlatánska má aj iné nahrávky s naším MICHAELOM mne to pripadá ako plánované vydieranie a pripomýna my to konanie BASHIRA ja len čo som sa dočítala,tak to neberte ,že je to 100% pravda

[yvonne]

Co se týče té nahrávky z mobilu Murraye, mě to přijde, že měl Murray v úmyslu to zpeněžit. Možná Michaelovi volal schválně potom co mu něco dal a Murray si to nahrál, aby to pak mohl prodat bulváru. Možná toho má ještě více...prevít jeden...

[Helcus1]

Co se týče té nahrávky z mobilu Murraye, mě to přijde, že měl Murray v úmyslu to zpeněžit. Možná Michaelovi volal schválně potom co mu něco dal a Murray si to nahrál, aby to pak mohl prodat bulváru. Možná toho má ještě více...prevít jeden...

celé to nějak smrdí od začátku , jsme z toho všichni vyčerpání...já jsem si musela dát dva dny oddech...dost mně to sebralo...

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